TGP doesn't need an antagonist

[Jonathan Thomas]

TGP isn't a political party or a cult. We don't need a scapegoat like
the Jews (as with the Nazis) or Western imperialism (like with the
Communists) for TGP to exist.

Here's why I dislike the trolls in TGP - because you're preventing
people from coming to the group to have an actual discussion about
something other than TGP itself. People see this group, see it's
infested with trolls, and move elsewhere. We don't need a common enemy
for the group to exist. Wanna know what would happen if you trolls
left? We'd ACTUALLY BE DISCUSSING STUFF ON TOPIC, just like we did
before there were even trolls in TGP. Not very hard to realize...

Wanna really destroy TGP? Why not leave? Consider this - if my
recollection of Chriz's posting statistics are correct, you make up
the posts in TGP. That's kinda sad, considering each of you are
posting more than me. If you left, that would leave just me and Chriz
and Clay. According to Steffan's theory, our interest would then wane
and TGP would go kapput again. But with all of you trolls still here,
you're generating activity and interest in the group. Consider this-
before Pahnsons came, I was the only "reg" in the group. Now Chriz
joined and so did Clay. You're actually bringing people to this group.
You're essentially failing. Keep it up and people may keep joining,
though at a rather slow rate.

So to conclude- we don't need an antagonist.

-Jonathan Thomas

[Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic]

In a daze, I read Jonathan Thomas's post, then collasped.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
TGP isn't a political party or a cult. We don't need a scapegoat like
the Jews (as with the Nazis) or Western imperialism (like with the
Communists) for TGP to exist.

Wow, Godwin in two lines!

Post by Jonathan Thomas
Here's why I dislike the trolls in TGP - because you're preventing
people from coming to the group to have an actual discussion about
something other than TGP itself. People see this group, see it's
infested with trolls, and move elsewhere. We don't need a common enemy
for the group to exist. Wanna know what would happen if you trolls
left? We'd ACTUALLY BE DISCUSSING STUFF ON TOPIC, just like we did
before there were even trolls in TGP. Not very hard to realize...

Blah

Post by Jonathan Thomas
Wanna really destroy TGP? Why not leave? Consider this - if my
recollection of Chriz's posting statistics are correct, you make up
the posts in TGP. That's kinda sad, considering each of you are
posting more than me. If you left, that would leave just me and Chriz
and Clay. According to Steffan's theory, our interest would then wane
and TGP would go kapput again. But with all of you trolls still here,
you're generating activity and interest in the group. Consider this-
before

That's The.Great.Pahsons to you. And I've been here the whole time, for a
while now. I just didn't post. I dropped it to once a week, and somehow
you think you can come in and take it from me?

Post by Jonathan Thomas
came, I was the only "reg" in the group. Now Chriz
joined and so did Clay. You're actually bringing people to this group.
You're essentially failing. Keep it up and people may keep joining,
though at a rather slow rate.
So to conclude- we don't need an antagonist.

Idiot

Post by Jonathan Thomas
-Jonathan Thomas

You are simply the lamest person I know

[Steffan Alun]

Post by Jonathan Thomas
TGP isn't a political party or a cult. We don't need a scapegoat like
the Jews (as with the Nazis) or Western imperialism (like with the
Communists) for TGP to exist.

Any group needs an antagonist. This is human nature.

It's also human nature to refuse to accept this fact.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
Here's why I dislike the trolls in TGP - because you're preventing
people from coming to the group to have an actual discussion about
something other than TGP itself.

Actually, that's your doing. We're just talking to you - we start very few
threads ourselves, and those we DO start don't last very long.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
People see this group, see it's
infested with trolls, and move elsewhere.

No, they see this group, see ABSOLUTELY NO POKÉMON DISCUSSION WHATSOEVER and
move elsewhere.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
We don't need a common enemy
for the group to exist.

Of course you do. """Someones Friend""" is evidence of this. He showed up
and immediately jumped into an argument. Think he'd have turned up without
us being here? Stop kidding yourself.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
Wanna know what would happen if you trolls
left? We'd ACTUALLY BE DISCUSSING STUFF ON TOPIC, just like we did
before there were even trolls in TGP. Not very hard to realize...

Explain how this is anyone's fault but your own.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
Wanna really destroy TGP? Why not leave?

Hmm. Interesting.

To summarise your post thus far:

"You're ruining the group! If you want to ruin the group, just leave."

Post by Jonathan Thomas
Consider this - if my
recollection of Chriz's posting statistics are correct, you make up
the posts in TGP. That's kinda sad, considering each of you are
posting more than me. If you left, that would leave just me and Chriz
and Clay. According to Steffan's theory, our interest would then wane
and TGP would go kapput again.

Exactly. This alone should show you that my interests do not lie in the
death of this group.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
But with all of you trolls still here,
you're generating activity and interest in the group. Consider this-
before Pahnsons came, I was the only "reg" in the group. Now Chriz
joined and so did Clay. You're actually bringing people to this group.
You're essentially failing. Keep it up and people may keep joining,
though at a rather slow rate.

Heh, you have no idea what you're even trying to say. Half the time you say
we're destroying the group, half the time you're saying we're failing. Half
the time you're saying we're bringing in new posters, half the time you're
saying we're keeping them out.

Make up your mind.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
So to conclude- we don't need an antagonist.

Thing is, we're not "antagonists" by default. Antagonists require
protagonists. The reason more people joined is because more of those you
call "trolls" joined. There has to be balance. Without us, you couldn't
survive. Without you, we'd leave.

[Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic]

In a daze, I read Steffan Alun's post, then collasped.

Post by Steffan Alun
Without you, we'd leave.

No, I'm staying. The king goes down with his kingdom

[Steffan Alun]

Post by Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic

Post by Steffan Alun
Without you, we'd leave.

No, I'm staying. The king goes down with his kingdom

I did mean EVENTUALLY.

[Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic]

In a daze, I read Steffan Alun's post, then collasped.

Post by Steffan Alun

Post by Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic

Post by Steffan Alun
Without you, we'd leave.

No, I'm staying. The king goes down with his kingdom

I did mean EVENTUALLY.

NEVER!

[Jonathan Thomas]

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Post by Steffan Alun
Heh, you have no idea what you're even trying to say. Half the time you say
we're destroying the group, half the time you're saying we're failing. Half
the time you're saying we're bringing in new posters, half the time you're
saying we're keeping them out.
Make up your mind.

Haha, congratulations- you're smart enough to notice the logical
falliacy of my post. I did think about that but I'd figure nobody
would notice.

My point is - the amount of people that would be coming to TGP but are
not because of the trolls is greater than the activity generated by
the trolls. The actvitiy generated in the group is generated by the
wrong reasons.

You're ruining the group by my standards but by your and Haight's
standards, then you are failing. If you want to succeed by your goals,
you'd be leaving along with Haights. That's why I should have said but
I didn't.

I will agree with you on the very least that I made a mistake in my
argument.

-Jonathan Thomas

[Steffan Alun]

Post by Jonathan Thomas

Post by Steffan Alun
Heh, you have no idea what you're even trying to say. Half the time you say
we're destroying the group, half the time you're saying we're failing.

Half

Post by Jonathan Thomas

Post by Steffan Alun
the time you're saying we're bringing in new posters, half the time you're
saying we're keeping them out.
Make up your mind.

Haha, congratulations- you're smart enough to notice the logical
falliacy of my post.

Of course I am. The whole thing was so sloppily structured that it was
impossible not to realise that SOMETHING was wrong.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
I did think about that but I'd figure nobody
would notice.

Weird that you decided to run with it anyway.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
My point is - the amount of people that would be coming to TGP but are
not because of the trolls is greater than the activity generated by
the trolls.

I sincerely doubt this.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
The actvitiy generated in the group is generated by the
wrong reasons.

Actually, you're right, but not for the reasons you THINK you're right.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
You're ruining the group by my standards but by your and Haight's
standards, then you are failing.

You think my and Haights's standards are the same? You're very much
mistaken. We may seem to be here for similar reasons, but I assure you that
our motives really are quite different.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
If you want to succeed by your goals,
you'd be leaving along with Haights. That's why I should have said but
I didn't.

It's also wrong. What are my goals, Lynn? What would I achieve by leaving?

Oh, and I have no influence over Haights, and neither does he have any
influence over me. Pahsons is also a seperate entity. When you address me,
don't bother addressing anyone else - I speak for myself and myself only.

Post by Jonathan Thomas
I will agree with you on the very least that I made a mistake in my
argument.

Then I will cease calling you "Lynn" from now on. I think this is a fair
compromise.

[Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic]

In a daze, I read Steffan Alun's post, then collasped.

Post by Pahsons - Somnolent - Insomniac - Narcoleptic
Pahsons

I'm the one, natural one, take it easy